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		<title>Comment on Human trafficking? So what IS human trafficking, Home Secretary? by Sepian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sepian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 05:12:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;So what they seem to be saying here is that the conviction for controlling prostitution will stand but the trafficking conviction is to be overturned. I can’t quite understand why&quot;

For a trial ( at magistrates) as messed up as his, a complete walk would be a prospect if he wanted to take that route, the PPS (CPS) are taking steps, I&#039;ll keep you posted.

He wasn&#039;t supposed to be charged at all. In May 2008, sex trafficking was off the docket, a lack of evidence etc.

So we had the police, CPS, sitting in court watching a man being convicted for something he wasn&#039;t supposed to be charged with, how state of the judicial art is that?

The entire UKHTC issue is a mess here. 

Julie Bindel got upset with me re: an email from me in 2008 asking Patrick Corrigan at Amnesty if his numbers reflected ordinary women going in the back of the van, which was the case.


&quot;This was part of a UK-wide operation which uncovered 167 victims of sex trafficking and led to the arrest of over 500 suspected traffickers.&quot; 

http://www.amnesty.org.uk/news_details.asp?NewsID=17813

That was hyperbole.

Gregory



Response as follows-
 
 
PPS Spokesperson:
 
 
The defendant was charged by Police on 12 January 2008 with the following offences;
 

    * Trafficking within the UK for Sexual Exploitation, contrary to section 58(1)(b) of the Sexual Offences Act 2003;
    * Controlling Prostitution for Gain ,contrary to section 53(1) of the Sexual offences Act 2003

 
 
On receipt of the  police investigation file the PPS considered the  available evidence and  found that the Test for Prosecution was met  only  in relation to the offence of Controlling Prostitution for Gain . 
 
On 21 May 2008  a decision issued from PPS to prosecute the defendent for the offence of Controlling Prostitution for Gain. 
 
 
The Trafficking charge before the court was not  withdrawn. This  was an administrative error  which has now been brought to the attention of the PPS .   Steps are  now being taken to recitify this  error.
 
 
Regards
 
Lynn

    -----Original Message-----



&gt; From: Gregory
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&gt; Carlin [ mailto:gregory.carlin@ntlworld.com
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&gt; Sent: 07 July 2008 14:41 
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&gt; To: patrick.corrigan@amnesty.org.uk ; anna.lo@niassembly.gov.uk
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&gt; Cc: press@amnesty.org.uk
&gt; ; david.ford@niassembly.gov.uk
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&gt; Birnie, Esmond 
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&gt; Subject: 500 suspected traffickers? 
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&gt; This was part of a UK-wide operation which
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&gt; Patrick 
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&gt; Don&#039;t you think they&#039;re potentially including
&gt; everything going into
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&gt; back of the van?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;So what they seem to be saying here is that the conviction for controlling prostitution will stand but the trafficking conviction is to be overturned. I can’t quite understand why&#8221;</p>
<p>For a trial ( at magistrates) as messed up as his, a complete walk would be a prospect if he wanted to take that route, the PPS (CPS) are taking steps, I&#8217;ll keep you posted.</p>
<p>He wasn&#8217;t supposed to be charged at all. In May 2008, sex trafficking was off the docket, a lack of evidence etc.</p>
<p>So we had the police, CPS, sitting in court watching a man being convicted for something he wasn&#8217;t supposed to be charged with, how state of the judicial art is that?</p>
<p>The entire UKHTC issue is a mess here. </p>
<p>Julie Bindel got upset with me re: an email from me in 2008 asking Patrick Corrigan at Amnesty if his numbers reflected ordinary women going in the back of the van, which was the case.</p>
<p>&#8220;This was part of a UK-wide operation which uncovered 167 victims of sex trafficking and led to the arrest of over 500 suspected traffickers.&#8221; </p>
<p><a href="http://www.amnesty.org.uk/news_details.asp?NewsID=17813" rel="nofollow">http://www.amnesty.org.uk/news_details.asp?NewsID=17813</a></p>
<p>That was hyperbole.</p>
<p>Gregory</p>
<p>Response as follows-</p>
<p>PPS Spokesperson:</p>
<p>The defendant was charged by Police on 12 January 2008 with the following offences;</p>
<p>    * Trafficking within the UK for Sexual Exploitation, contrary to section 58(1)(b) of the Sexual Offences Act 2003;<br />
    * Controlling Prostitution for Gain ,contrary to section 53(1) of the Sexual offences Act 2003</p>
<p>On receipt of the  police investigation file the PPS considered the  available evidence and  found that the Test for Prosecution was met  only  in relation to the offence of Controlling Prostitution for Gain . </p>
<p>On 21 May 2008  a decision issued from PPS to prosecute the defendent for the offence of Controlling Prostitution for Gain. </p>
<p>The Trafficking charge before the court was not  withdrawn. This  was an administrative error  which has now been brought to the attention of the PPS .   Steps are  now being taken to recitify this  error.</p>
<p>Regards</p>
<p>Lynn</p>
<p>    &#8212;&#8211;Original Message&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>&gt; From: Gregory<br />
&gt;<br />
&gt; Carlin [ mailto:gregory.carlin@ntlworld.com<br />
&gt; ]<br />
&gt;<br />
&gt; Sent: 07 July 2008 14:41<br />
&gt;<br />
&gt; To: <a href="mailto:patrick.corrigan@amnesty.org.uk">patrick.corrigan@amnesty.org.uk</a> ; <a href="mailto:anna.lo@niassembly.gov.uk">anna.lo@niassembly.gov.uk</a><br />
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&gt; Cc: <a href="mailto:press@amnesty.org.uk">press@amnesty.org.uk</a><br />
&gt; ; <a href="mailto:david.ford@niassembly.gov.uk">david.ford@niassembly.gov.uk</a><br />
&gt; ;<br />
&gt;<br />
&gt; Birnie, Esmond<br />
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&gt; Subject: 500 suspected traffickers?<br />
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&gt;<br />
&gt;<br />
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&gt; This was part of a UK-wide operation which<br />
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&gt; uncovered 167 victims of sex trafficking and led to the<br />
&gt; arrest of over<br />
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&gt; 500 suspected traffickers.<br />
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&gt; Patrick<br />
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&gt; Don&#8217;t you think they&#8217;re potentially including<br />
&gt; everything going into<br />
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&gt; back of the van?</p>
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		<title>Comment on EXPOSED: THE HOME OFFICE DODGY DOSSIER ON HUMAN TRAFFICKING AND SEX SLAVES by Guest Post: The Bogus Figures on Trafficking at The Charlotte Gore Blog</title>
		<link>http://stephenpaterson.wordpress.com/2009/07/15/exposed-the-home-office-dodgy-dossier-on-sex-slaves/#comment-117</link>
		<dc:creator>Guest Post: The Bogus Figures on Trafficking at The Charlotte Gore Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 07:20:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 6. Using McCoy’s Sex Guides and the Punternet website is a poor method of counting – it is the equivalent of trying to count the number of books in circulation using publisher’s adverts and literary reviews. But even their methods are more sensible than Eaves or the Home Office. (see also Anthology of English Pros http://stephenpaterson.wordpress.com/2009/07/15/exposed-the-home-office-dodgy-dossier-on-sex-slaves/...) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 6. Using McCoy’s Sex Guides and the Punternet website is a poor method of counting – it is the equivalent of trying to count the number of books in circulation using publisher’s adverts and literary reviews. But even their methods are more sensible than Eaves or the Home Office. (see also Anthology of English Pros <a href="http://stephenpaterson.wordpress.com/2009/07/15/exposed-the-home-office-dodgy-dossier-on-sex-slaves/.." rel="nofollow">http://stephenpaterson.wordpress.com/2009/07/15/exposed-the-home-office-dodgy-dossier-on-sex-slaves/..</a>.) [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on WHO DIALS 999 in a BROTHEL? by Polprav</title>
		<link>http://stephenpaterson.wordpress.com/2009/08/12/who-dials-999-in-a-brothel/#comment-116</link>
		<dc:creator>Polprav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 23:51:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on MURDER PROBE: POLICE SEEK BROTHELS&#8217; HELP by Steve</title>
		<link>http://stephenpaterson.wordpress.com/2009/08/20/murder-probe-police-seek-brothels-help/#comment-114</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 19:55:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know this is old news and I won&#039;t be specific in names or places.

Recently two men attacked a brothel and splashed petrol around. A rival brotehl is seems.  The girl managed to call the owner, who called 999.  The police said they were not interested on the brothel but the wellfare of the women working there.  So the owners made the stupid mistake and helped the police.  Well as you guess they are NOW HELPING THE POLICE WITH THEIR ENQUIRIES are on bail, had all thier phones and PCs confiscated, their home searched and are now awaiting the out come.  They are not even be asked to complete a statement for the attack, and nothing has been done about the attackers.

Seems the police are taking the easy case, and hoping to make a mint with the proceeds of crime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know this is old news and I won&#8217;t be specific in names or places.</p>
<p>Recently two men attacked a brothel and splashed petrol around. A rival brotehl is seems.  The girl managed to call the owner, who called 999.  The police said they were not interested on the brothel but the wellfare of the women working there.  So the owners made the stupid mistake and helped the police.  Well as you guess they are NOW HELPING THE POLICE WITH THEIR ENQUIRIES are on bail, had all thier phones and PCs confiscated, their home searched and are now awaiting the out come.  They are not even be asked to complete a statement for the attack, and nothing has been done about the attackers.</p>
<p>Seems the police are taking the easy case, and hoping to make a mint with the proceeds of crime.</p>
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		<title>Comment on HOW BOOKING A CAB CAN MAKE YOU A UK SEX SLAVE DRIVER by stephenpaterson</title>
		<link>http://stephenpaterson.wordpress.com/2009/10/01/ipswich-is-this-a-real-sex-slave-driver/#comment-111</link>
		<dc:creator>stephenpaterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 20:17:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The prosecuters are as confused over what trafficking is as the Home Office ministers are, Douglas. Remember
http://stephenpaterson.wordpress.com/2009/01/16/human-trafficking-whats-human-trafficking/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The prosecuters are as confused over what trafficking is as the Home Office ministers are, Douglas. Remember<br />
<a href="http://stephenpaterson.wordpress.com/2009/01/16/human-trafficking-whats-human-trafficking/" rel="nofollow">http://stephenpaterson.wordpress.com/2009/01/16/human-trafficking-whats-human-trafficking/</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on HOW BOOKING A CAB CAN MAKE YOU A UK SEX SLAVE DRIVER by Douglas fox</title>
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		<dc:creator>Douglas fox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 19:08:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Recently in Newcastle half a dozen drivers employed by an agency (the owner of which is now serving four years) were released with out charges. They had all spent two years taking women to and from appointments and to and from brothels. It seems that once again our post code system of justice was at play with this unfortunate would be madame.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Recently in Newcastle half a dozen drivers employed by an agency (the owner of which is now serving four years) were released with out charges. They had all spent two years taking women to and from appointments and to and from brothels. It seems that once again our post code system of justice was at play with this unfortunate would be madame.</p>
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		<title>Comment on HOW BOOKING A CAB CAN MAKE YOU A UK SEX SLAVE DRIVER by stephenpaterson</title>
		<link>http://stephenpaterson.wordpress.com/2009/10/01/ipswich-is-this-a-real-sex-slave-driver/#comment-109</link>
		<dc:creator>stephenpaterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 17:32:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Carol. Personally, I&#039;m a great believer in Palermo. Countries have a tendency to utilise the protocol only for trafficking, but if you take the formula in Article Three, it can be broken without stepping out of a room, and it could replace an awful lot of nonsense in current UK law.

There is some loose wording, such as what, exactly, is a position of strength and what, precisely, a position of vulnerability, for example, but as a basis for future domestic law, I think it has a lot going for it. Which is probably why our Home Office has f***ed it up so much!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Carol. Personally, I&#8217;m a great believer in Palermo. Countries have a tendency to utilise the protocol only for trafficking, but if you take the formula in Article Three, it can be broken without stepping out of a room, and it could replace an awful lot of nonsense in current UK law.</p>
<p>There is some loose wording, such as what, exactly, is a position of strength and what, precisely, a position of vulnerability, for example, but as a basis for future domestic law, I think it has a lot going for it. Which is probably why our Home Office has f***ed it up so much!</p>
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		<title>Comment on HOW BOOKING A CAB CAN MAKE YOU A UK SEX SLAVE DRIVER by Carol Leigh</title>
		<link>http://stephenpaterson.wordpress.com/2009/10/01/ipswich-is-this-a-real-sex-slave-driver/#comment-108</link>
		<dc:creator>Carol Leigh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 16:16:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a comment on my own comment because I have been studying this lately.  The Palermo Protocol was the first time the UN treaties didn&#039;t equate prostitution with a violation of human rights. I think that was an important milestone that I don&#039;t think is touted much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a comment on my own comment because I have been studying this lately.  The Palermo Protocol was the first time the UN treaties didn&#8217;t equate prostitution with a violation of human rights. I think that was an important milestone that I don&#8217;t think is touted much.</p>
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		<title>Comment on HOW BOOKING A CAB CAN MAKE YOU A UK SEX SLAVE DRIVER by Carol Leigh</title>
		<link>http://stephenpaterson.wordpress.com/2009/10/01/ipswich-is-this-a-real-sex-slave-driver/#comment-107</link>
		<dc:creator>Carol Leigh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 16:09:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are so many terrible instances in which prostitution per se is conflated with trafficking.  I sadly say that the Palermo Protocol doesn&#039;t take a position on prostitution, only to say that countries that wish to define all prostitution as as trafficking (actually third parties as traffickers) can do that, or those with legal prostitution they can also do that and still sign on to this treaty.

The UK law sounds awful!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are so many terrible instances in which prostitution per se is conflated with trafficking.  I sadly say that the Palermo Protocol doesn&#8217;t take a position on prostitution, only to say that countries that wish to define all prostitution as as trafficking (actually third parties as traffickers) can do that, or those with legal prostitution they can also do that and still sign on to this treaty.</p>
<p>The UK law sounds awful!</p>
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		<link>http://stephenpaterson.wordpress.com/2009/09/08/streets-behind-the-amanda-walker-story/#comment-106</link>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know If I said it already but ...I&#039;m so glad I found this site...Keep up the good work I read a lot of blogs on a daily basis and for the most part, people lack substance but, I just wanted to make a quick comment to say GREAT blog.  Thanks, :)

A definite great read..Jim Bean</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know If I said it already but &#8230;I&#8217;m so glad I found this site&#8230;Keep up the good work I read a lot of blogs on a daily basis and for the most part, people lack substance but, I just wanted to make a quick comment to say GREAT blog.  Thanks, <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>A definite great read..Jim Bean</p>
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